After the initial back and forth with Senator Shoebridge, the interaction continued after some questions form Senator Cash on another topic.
It begins with Shoebridge asking Senator Farrell there if the Attorney General (Michelle Rowland) knew about this:
David Shoebridge
Did the attorney general or anyone in the Attorney General’s office, have any part in requesting the delay? No. Do you know this because you’ve asked the attorney general or the attorney general has given you that information? Yes. And when did you make that inquiry of the attorney general.
Don Farrell
When you raised the issue with me this morning.
David Shoebridge
And do, you do you understand that includes, is following an investigation by the attorney general as to whether or not any member of her staff, were a part of seeking this delay?
Don Farrell
Look, I don’t know the specifics at work. At work in coming to this, conclusion. But I should follow up and come back to you.
David Shoebridge
Yeah. And if there was an investigation, can you please identify what steps were taken in that investigation in the attorney’s office to form the conclusion you’ve just provided?
Don Farrell:
Sure.
Then Senator Shoebridge turns his attention back to the departmental Secretary Katherine Jones:
David Shoebridge
So, Secretary, I’m just trying to understand what you did on Friday when this was raised with you, that your department had consciously delayed the release of information, because of budget estimates. Senate estimates. What did you actually do?
Katherine Jones
I, met with, Miss Harvey, and, discuss the issue. Tried to understand, the what had happened and the content of the information that was the subject of the media query. And, sought to ensure that we were in a position to be able to respond accurately to the media query.
David Shoebridge
Did you ask where did this direction come from?
Katherine Jones
Senator. We just discussed generally, the specifics of the, email, understanding that that chain of emails had been released with the FOI.
David Shoebridge
Well, I haven’t seen a chain of emails. Well, can you please can you if there is a chain of emails, can you please provide to this committee the chain of emails? And can you do it today.
This set off a whole range of questions about just how many emails were there -1, 2, 3, “a chain”
After that is sort of resolved (it seems maybe 3?) Shoebridge gets back to it:
David Shoebridge
Now, now, Secretary, I asked whether or not you asked the most basic question, which is where did this direction come from? And I wasn’t sure if you actually asked that question or not. Did you ask that question, where did this direction come from?
Katherine Jones
Senator, I, engaged with, Miss Harvey to understand and ask what what happened. This all, evolved, on Friday afternoon. Yeah. I have not had the opportunity to, talk any, discuss that any further. I just reiterate my overarching commitment that, with, if I, we seek to ensure, wherever we can, that we comply with the appropriate legal, framework and time frames.
David Shoebridge
Well, Miss Harvey, I asked Miss Jones whether or not she asked you that question. Where did this direction come from? I’ve still not clear from Miss Jones evidence whether or not she asked that question. So I’m going to ask you. You’re in the meeting. Did Miss Jones ask you where to? To investigate where this direction came from?
Tamsyn Harvey
Senator, this came to my attention via a media request. There was a, you know, a couple of lines that we received. I was not otherwise aware of it. So, on on Friday afternoon, part of what we were doing was actually understanding, this was a FOI about an FOI, about FOI reform? Trying to understand. Actually, at first the media request wasn’t clear about even, the nature of the, the FOI that had been, released. So I alerted Miss Jones to, to the fact that we had this media release, the content of the email and talked about trying to get to the bottom of it. But, we didn’t we talked about, you know, this is not, how we would, you know, generally look to operate as a department, but no, we did not.
At this point will just tip my hat to Bill Browne who caused all this ruckus – it was his FOI about the FOI on FOI reform which is why this is all happening.
Shoebridge goes back to Katherine Jones:
What will you say if you wanted to work out? What? Well, do you agree this was wrong?
Katherine Jones
Senator? I agree that that should, that the timing of estimates should not not influence the approach we take to release of, if our response is on our disclosure law.
David Shoebridge
But, but it did. That’s exactly what happened here. If it shouldn’t have happened, it was wrong. Correct?
Katherine Jones
I agree, we will not, want that as a factor in our, approach, and I will be reinforcing that message.
Shoebridge then really lays down the hammer:
David Shoebridge
Yeah, but you say I would have thought that a competent department, if you saw something that was wrong, I would ask, who did this? Who, who who actually gave the direction to do something that was wrong so that there could be some internal accountability. But from what I can tell, you had a meeting on Friday where you studiously avoided asking that question. You just sort of “please don’t tell me where this came from, because I may have to disclose it in the next assessment session starting next week”. It was like a, you know, evil, see no evil, speak no evil meeting.
That’s what happened, wasn’t it?
Katherine Jones
Senator, that’s very speculative. In view of the of the nature of the conversation, we will work with the relevant areas and work across the department to ensure, that the, the approach that we have is consistent with it. As I described, that we do not take, factors that, such as the upcoming estimates as, as a, issue in terms of release. And I will reinforce that messaging.
David Shoebridge
Who gave the direction?
Katherine Jones
Senator, I have indicated to you, that, I, I will be engaging with the team, and across the department to reinforce.
David Shoebridge
Will you answer the question who gave the direction? And if you don’t know. Now, take it on notice. After your investigation and answered on notice who gave the direction.
Katherine Jones
Senator, I’m happy to take on notice any further information that I can provide.
And thus ends the Q*A
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Happy birthday, Amy! Your blood's worth bottling (as my dear dad would say) working to keep us informed on your special day.
Happy birthday Amy! You were born on the same day as my mum :)
You deserve an early mark!
Brereton's evident monumental misjudgment of the gravity of his inability to understand that being partisan in the execution of his responsibilities totally corrupts confidence in his findings that extends beyond the NACC.
His leadership of the initial Inquiry into possible War Crimes com mitted by Australian servicepeople in Afghanistan must now be re-examined with forensic attention to detail. The glacial progress to a finding of 35 (?) or so possible incidences, that has so far produced just ONE court case, is frankly beyond the bounds of belief as a satisfactory accounting of what is a very serious matter in terms of the International Rule of Order that is so frequently quoted as the foundation stone of acceptable conduct.
It is no matter for humour to suggest that the entire initial Brereton Inquiry was set up with the old 'Yes Minister' dictum that you never hold an inquiry unless you are sure of the outcome before you start. That may, of course, be completely incorrect in this case BUT it must now be tested by an appropriate entity and the findings made utterly transparent to the general public.
If these are the examples they're using there really must not be any legitimate examples. Also , misleading people about special disability trusts is abhorrent.
Throwing stones in glass houses isn’t working well for the shadow Treasurer.
We are sure it will be a magnificent shambles.
Dear Amy, you have misspelled: 'maleficent'.
Someone please bring you another cup of strong coffee. You deserve it.
Lol - all of the coffee
Why would they? Being Independent has largely worked for them... I guess of they want a Senate seat they might need a party structure...
There are serious problems with the PALM scheme and it's not just for profit companies that are exploiting people, at least one charity is too https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/palm-scheme-workers-report-poor-conditions-at-madec-australia/euapzq4da?cid=newsapp:socialshare:other
The thing the anti-choice advocates always omit is the flow on effects.. Does South Australia really want every family that experiences a still birth to be threatened with an investigation into themselves and their health teams?