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The Senate mess is continuing which means we are going to call it a day because honestly, there needs to be a limit.

It has created some very funny scenes in the senate though, including Jane Hume showing off a paper necklace she made from Minties’ wrappers:

Senator Jane Hume seems to be very please with a necklace she made out of mintie wrappers after question time in the senate chamber of Parliament House in Canberra this afternoon. Thursday 30th October 2025.Photograph by Mike Bowers
Oh the lols
Finance Minister Katy Gallagher, Greens senators Sarah Hanson-Young, Mehreen Faruqi and Nick McKim confer after question time in the senate chamber of Parliament House in Canberra this afternoon. Thursday 30th October 2025. Photograph by Mike Bowers

We will be back early next week for the second week of insanity – we hope you will join us?

Thank you so much for joining us in this first week of The Point! It has meant the world to see so many of you jump on board – that the numbers grew as the week went on was also really, really heartening. It’s a small team and obviously there are some bugs, but we appreciate all of you for coming with us as we work it out.

I’ll be back on Monday, until then – get into some good trouble and take care of you Ax

Reddit to the rescue: watchdog sues Microsoft after AI price-hike complaints

Angus Blackman
Executive Director

Plenty of big tech companies are losing money on their artificial intelligence investments, begging the question: do people actually want the products?

On this episode of Dollars & Sense, Greg and Elinor discuss the “shock” inflation figures, what energy subsidies have to do with the larger-than-expected increase, and why the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission (ACCC) is suing Microsoft.

Advocates speak out against attempt to give police power to stop welfare payments

The Antipoverty Centre has had a very busy day, bringing together advocates to speak on the amendment to the Social Security and Other Leg. Amendment (Technical Changes No. 2) Bill 2025 which will give police the power to recommend an end to welfare payments if a person is suspected of a crime (not convicted)

This probably won’t get a lot of attention elsewhere so here it is in full:

The government’s last minute amendment enables police to advise the home affairs minister to stop a person’s Centrelink payment if there is a warrant for their arrest in relation to a serious crime. It affects people receiving any income support payment including Parenting Payment, Paid Parental Leave and Family Tax Benefit, meaning it can deprive people and children who are not accused of any crime of the money they need to live.

At the same time, the government voted against an amendment brought by Andrew Wilkie to implement a Robodebt royal commission recommendation to bring the time limit on Centrelink debt recovery into alignment with other types of debt – a recommendation the government committed to more than 2 years ago.

These draconian powers are a breach of the right to social security and the right to due process, which every person is entitled to. Police should not have any involvement in social security decisions and people accused of a crime, no matter what it is, are innocent until proven guilty. Punishment without conviction is incredibly dangerous, and offends the separation of powers between government and the judicial system.

The original bill affects millions of people and was rushed through with no meaningful opportunity for those harmed by unlawful debt collection to provide feedback. It has now been made even more undemocratic with this last minute, unpublicised addition of a completely unrelated amendment that has not undergone even the bare minimum scrutiny. The Senate Community Affairs Legislation Committee and the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights have already handed down their reports. Neither the government nor the Department of Social Services provided any information to these committees to indicate that this new police power would be inserted or was even being considered. All opportunities to scrutinise the bill and consider the implications and unintended consequences of this change have now passed.

Meanwhile the government has still not come clean about how many hundreds of thousands of welfare recipients have had their Centrelink payment unlawfully cancelled and their lives destroyed in yet another welfare administration scandal.

No one with a conscience should support this bill while this amendment remains.

Welfare rights advocate Tom Studans said: ”Serious violent crimes require a serious response. Convictions must be sound. Using the welfare system this way will not prove lawful, just, or otherwise effective. The welfare system is often used as a powerful surveillance tool for the police and security agencies that comprise Home Affairs. In Australia, punishing criminal offenders is the job of the courts.Social security law already provides for those in prison to lose their benefits—no argument has been made for broad discretionary powers to pre-empt the judicial process, as this cannot be done lawfully in Australia. Government efforts to improve women’s safety in the welfare system must focus on improving their financial position and agency in the system, and eliminating the ways offenders can use it to perpetrate their abuses—but it’s clear safety has nothing to do with these amendments.”

Antipoverty Centre spokesperson and JobSeeker recipient Jay Coonan said: “Labor can only get away with creating this terrifying expansion of powers because it’s easy to punch down on welfare recipients and use us as a political football. It is purely performative, and will only open the door to further demonise welfare recipients and justify more punishment outside the judicial system. When a warrant has been issued for a serious offence, removing a person’s Centrelink payment will not undo whatever act may have occurred.”

The Council of Single Mothers and their Children said: “Council of Single Mothers and their Children are perturbed by this proposed amendment which has the potential to cause further harm to women and children who have already been subject to family violence. We have plenty of evidence that perpetrators of such violence are often skilled at using government systems to weaponise their violence. We see this in relation to taxation, child support, and family payments where recalcitrance in not meeting their obligations can impose debt burdens on their victim. Indeed, these issues are before the Ombudsman now. Why therefore, would we risk providing additional ways for them to cause harm? False reports of child abuse and of violence already see too many single mothers and their children, many of them Aboriginal, misrepresented as perpetrators of violence or taken into child protection. We call on the government to withdraw the proposed amendments withholding social security payments or concession cards, family assistance payments, or paid parental leave payments on the grounds of an arrest for any reason, until any unintended consequences for children and their primary carers can be fully and openly assessed.”

Anti-Poverty Network South Australia Campaign Co-coordinator and Carers payment recipient Samantha Skinner said: “This amendment is another shocking example of the government weaponising the welfare system against the very people it is meant to support. Giving police the power to cut off someone’s Centrelink payment without due process is not only cruel, it’s unlawful and undemocratic. Once again, people on low incomes are being treated as second-class citizens whose rights can be ignored for political convenience. Instead of expanding punitive powers, the government should be focused on repairing the enormous harm already done to people through years of unlawful debt recovery and inadequate payments. We need a welfare system built on care and justice, not control and punishment.”

Australian Unemployed Workers’ Union President and JobSeeker recipient Avery Howard said: “Labor will continue to punish people on payments in any way possible. We need to do more to protect people who are victims of serious violent and sexual offences, but further demonising welfare recipients and using the social security system as a form of punishment is not the way. If Labor wants to tinker with the social security system, they should increase payments above the poverty line, which will serve to help victims of these crimes a whole lot more than convoluted and potentially unlawful ways to cancel people’s payments.”

Anglicare Australia Executive Director Kasy Chambers said: “This proposal is completely at odds with the principles of fairness and justice. Cutting off someone’s income before they have been found guilty of any crime is punishment without conviction. We should not have to explain why this has no place in a fair society. This is a shocking overreach of police powers into the social security system. We’ve seen too many times what happens when governments rush through changes without thinking through the consequences. Robodebt should have been warning enough. We’re calling on the government to withdraw these amendments and commit to a system that upholds people’s rights and dignity, not one that tears them away.”

Everybody’s Home National Spokesperson Maiy Azize said: “This is a shocking and dangerous proposal. Cutting off someone’s Centrelink payment means cutting off their rent, their groceries, and their lifeline. It will push people into homelessness before they’ve even had a chance to defend themselves in court. These changes mean that someone could lose their home because of an accusation that later turns out to be wrong. Once you’ve lost your home, there’s no easy way back. No one should be made destitute or homeless before they’ve been found guilty of anything. Using the threat of homelessness as a form of punishment is unconscionable. The government should withdraw this amendment immediately.”

The view from Mike Bowers

Labor has used every dirty parliamentary trick in the book to try and make senate question time as unpleasant as possible (which is a big ask given how terrible it is in general) in response to David Pocock, the Greens and the Coalition changing the standing orders to have an additional five questions asked by non-government senators in QT. It adds about an extra half an hour to the proceedings, and is in response to the government’s failure to produce the Briggs report into public servant jobs being awarded to ‘Labor mates’ which Pocock and others have been trying to get for two years.

Labor have tried suspending standing orders during the non-government questions so it’s senator could ask a question, for no other reason then to drag it all out even further. Here is some of the reaction to that from Independent Senator David Pocock, Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young and Liberal Senator Jonathon Dunian as captured by Mike Bowers:

Possibly the moment Pocock was re-considering his life choices
The WTAF response from all three
How much longer do we have to do this
Keep calm and carry on

Government gets petulant in the Senate

Labor is obviously very annoyed at David Pocock – there is an unspoken agreement that when senators step in or out of the chamber, it is not acknowledged formally. Pocock, who was clearly in the chamber for senate QT, stepped out for a brief period. On his return, Labor’s Tim Ayres made a big song and dance about it saying something to the effect of ‘good to see the man who is responsible for this longer question time’ as if he had just walked into the session.

Pocock pointed out he had just stepped out to go to the bathroom.

But yup, that is the standard at the moment.

Question time ends

What did we learn?

Well, there is still no challenge for the government. The Coalition had two issues from yesterday (HAFF being audited and inflation) and then some half hearted attempts to try and paint the government as being behind on mining, which – WE WISH?!

Albanese has been out of the country for a week and the best the Coalition managed was a bullshit attack about a t-shirt he wore, five days after he wore the t-shirt.

Tomorrow the Coalition backbenchers can attend a briefing on net zero with Dan Tehan. None of this is getting any better for them.

Sigh

Liberal MP Melissa Price asks an attempt at a gotcha on whether or not the government supports mining (which – honestly, has she looked at what this government is doing? It fricking loves mining!)

Chris Bowen makes that point, but less frankly:

I’m sure the chamber of minerals and energy and the Honorable Member supports everything this government has done in recent weeks to support the mining industry in Australia and critical minerals in the great state of Western Australia, with the Prime Minister’s leadership and the leadership of the Minister for resources, and engaging in proper international diplomacy, engaging in proper interactions with our key trading partners.

That’s what our future made in Australia looks like, proper investments and a proper calibration of Industry and Energy policy as well as foreign and trade policy to ensure that our great critical minerals that have so much capacity to power not only Australia but the rest of the world. We have a periodic table of minerals under our Earth, we have nine out of the 10 minerals necessary to make a battery in our country.

We think that’s a good thing. We want to see more of those minerals exploited and more value added in Australia, and batteries made in Australia, and minerals processed in Australia. That’s our vision.

Your vision is stuck in your 10 years of denial and delay while you’re arguing tomorrow about whether climate change is real and whether humankind has anything to do with it and whether government should even bother to try Well, that’s why you are out of office now, and you are showing the Australian people continually you are not fit for modern government in Australia.

Update on Shield and First Guardian

The Nationals MP for Cowper, Pat Conaghan asks:

Recent collapses like Shield and First Guardian have put over $1 billion of Australians’ hard earned retirement savings at risk. How many times has the government ignored warnings from Treasury and ASIC to effectively regulate these schemes?

Daniel Mulino takes this one:

I know this affects members across the chamber. I want to acknowledge from the outset how distressing this has been for many people who have lost considerable amount of funds. There are many individuals and families who have lost a significant proportion of their life savings. I have met with victims of these collapses and I’ve heard first hand harrowing stories and I understand how difficult this has been.

Can I stress that the focus of ASIC over recent months has been to protect investor funds and it has undertaken a range of actions to do so. It has a range of actions already under way in court. This includes actions in relation to individuals involved in the financial advisors involved in these collapses. It involves also actions against individuals involved in the matched investment schemes. Importantly, there were also significant actions in relation to the platforms.

And I welcome the fact that recently there was an agreement reached between Macquarie and ASIC which saw over $300 million returned to investors.

A significant proportion of the investors in the Shield will see a full return of their capital.

I do acknowledge there is more work to be done and I continue to work with ASIC and other regulators in relation to the immediate priority of protecting investor interests.

…I haven’t ignored any warnings. When I was notified of this matter earlier this year I very quickly sought briefing from my department in relation to the matter. Following on from that, having found out about these matters. I wrote to APRA and received briefings in relation to what further actions might be needed in relation to platforms.

I have been working constructively on that matter. I have written to ASIC in relation to whether or not capital holding requirements are sufficient. And having been notified of these matters, I have asked my department to provide me with briefings in relation to how we might strengthen regulatory arrangements going forward. So what I would say to this chamber and of course to the member who has asked this question is as we consider options going forward, I look forward to working constructively with members of this House in order to find ways we can strengthen arrangements going forward.

Will the government look at price capping for home care services?

Rebekha Sharkie asks Sam Rae:

Every Mayo home care provider I have researched is lifting its fees on Saturday from 40% to a 100% increase. One provider is charging non-grandfathered self-funded retirees and part pensioners a co-payment of up to $132 per hour for meal preparation and up to $101 per hour co-payment for showering on a Saturday. Most older Australians can’t afford this. Will you please look at the price capping and look to bring it forward?

Rae:

I thank the member for Mayo for her question and her ongoing commitment to ensuring that older people in her community do get safe, dignified and high quality aged care. Of course, from Saturday, with bipartisan support, we herald the arrival of the new support at home program which is a new generation of aged care for every single older person across Australia. And to this program it’s the member’s question pertains. From Saturday, we will ensure that administration prices under the home care program are capped. They have previously been exorbitantly charged by some providers. Not all providers. But by some providers and caps will come into place at 10% around most administration fees. We want the money that is afforded to older people for their care to be used for their care, not for administrative purposes.

We also have the independent pricing authority having issued pricing guidance to both consumers and providers. A better level of transparency and understanding for the entire sector around what appropriate pricing for services looks like. From July 2026, the independent pricing authority will of course introduce the pricing caps to ensure that no older person is inappropriately charged for the services.

Of course, Mr Speaker, we have to understand the road that we have trodden to get to this point, we had a royal commission which uncovered extraordinarily distressing stories of mistreatment of older people, it was mononymously named neglect. For nine long years, those opposite, including the Leader of the Opposition in her position as health minister, neglected older people across our and finally Labor has come to the plate to ensure that every single older Australian can be afforded the safe dignified and high quality aged care that those opposite should have done a long time ago.

Factcheck: Triggering the coal lobby

Rod Campbell

The coal lobby in Queensland didn’t like our Revenue Summit yesterday, which showed how much more money could be raised from coal companies.

They were so upset, they even got their facts wrong!

Claim: “The Queensland Resources Council warned the royalty regime had cost more than 1000 jobs and damaged the state’s international reputation as a reliable place to invest.”

Fact: The number of coal mines operating in Queensland INCREASED after the royalty change.

Claim: The Queensland Resource Council said “other states and countries have not followed the former government and raised royalty rates”.

Fact: NSW increased its coal royalty rates in 2024.

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