Sussan Ley spent the interview trying to turn it to her talking points. But she wouldn’t address how her party has ended up here, how it is going to win with a policy that doesn’t have a net zero goal, or whether she personally believes net zero is possible.

We did have a very poor result at the last election, and I’ve been very upfront about acknowledging that, and shortly, we’ll have the review that I asked Pru Goward and Nick Minchin to complete, and I also said I’d make that public, and that will talk about the detailed reasons for the result. And it’s important that we do that, and it’s important that we consider that carefully, and it’s also important that we listen to Australians, and I’ve been listening to them on energy policy. I’ve been listening to them on their struggles to meet the cost of living crisis…