Patricia Karvelas then points out that contradiction we just highlighted:

Q: Isn’t it at odds with ‘everything is on the table? We’re prepared to do anything’? You’re saying ‘this is not a fait accompli, we’re not going to save this if we think it’s too high cost’?”

Tim Ayres:

Both of those things are true.

Karvelas:They’re at odds.

Ayres:

We will look at every responsible option, that means engaging with every option and working them through.