Ellen Fanning: Finally, let me ask you this with respect what Australians are being asked to believe is that you are compared to Peter Dutton, a weak leader, that he is a strong man, and when the tough decisions need to be made, he’s better placed to do that. How do you respond to that?

Albanese:

Well, he he’s yet to make a tough decision. He’s saying that there’ll be cuts in the budget, that if he is Prime Minister, they’ll make all these massive cuts. He’s speaking about $350 billion of waste. But he won’t tell you what they are. I’ll tell you what a tough decision is. A tough decision is saying I’m going to, in the interest of Australians, change the tax cuts that have been legislated so that everyone gets a tax cut, not just some. I’m going to argue the case. I’ll go to the National Press Club.

This is a guy who thinks a tough interview is speaking to Peta Credlin for an hour and a half.